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There has been a storm that knocked out power in my area. Some died, sadly at least as many from carbon monoxide from generators as the storm.
Funny, people preparing and stockpiling for emergencies have gone from being freaks into responsible citizens. Everyone agrees now that everyone should have been doing this. I'd rather be careful 100 times than dead once. -Mark Twain |
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What are they doing? Running the generators in their homes??
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There was an article posted by Wallew yesterday, yes they were running generators in the home. A child would know that is wrong.
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"At least 100 people, including one man who died, suffered carbon monoxide poisoning after they dragged generators and charcoal grills inside to stay warm following widespread power outages in Western Washington.
A 26-year-old Kirkland man was found dead in his home Saturday with a generator running in the living room. Other victims as young as 11 months were treated at Seattle-area hospitals after inhaling carbon monoxide." http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/...t=orwashington Apparently Darwinism is alive and well there. |
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Should read:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "At least 100 people, including one man who died, suffered carbon monoxide poisoning after they dragged generators and charcoal grills inside to commit suicide following widespread power outages in Western Washington. |
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Funny.
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:cool2: I don't know if I would consider it a major shift of opinion.
Minor perhaps.... Katrina is coming...evacuate or die. We's stayed in our guberment apartment cause we don't got no car. Yeah moron...ever heard of walking ? In 36 hours you could have walked 20 friggin' miles and took your time. If'n we leave the gangs be stealin' our stuff. Well...considering the American taxpayers bought all that stuff you be talking about you ain't lost a GD thing. What about our guberment check;we be gone and no one be here to get de mail if we leave ? Last I heard Aquaman and Captain Nemo quit their jobs at the post office so that rain,sleet and snow bullshit don't include hurricanes after they left. So there is no way to talk you into leaving,even if it means certain death for you and your family ? No Suh' we's be stayin'...when the Po'lice leave Big John and Braindead said they get me one o' dem new big plasmer tvs fo" my bedroom. I's not gonna miss a chance to get one whiles I can... :puke::puke::puke: I honestly feel sorry for the people who tried very hard to do the best they could for themselves under disaster circumstances. It is a tragedy that people die from lack of knowledge or become victims of their own best intentions. All of these people would still be alive if they took the time to just think about what they were doing...even a flashlight and some instant soup with a couple of extra blankets would have got them through the emergency. Yes...the NW was a different story than Katrina...but the basic emergency knowledge and common sense applied to both. What does it take to educate some people ? So many lives lost....a sad affair all around. :Sorry::Sorry::Sorry: |
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If you saw it somewhere and passed it on - Thank you!! Political correctness=====The sissification of America:mad: :mad: :mad: CC |
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:cool2: Thanks crazychicken....it's mine 100%.
I was in New Oreleans the week after Katrina hit. My brother and I saw so much FEMA BS and total lack of organization it was a miracle everyone crazy enough to be there didn't starve to death. We went armed...glad we did.Law and order had broken down to the level of the riots in Newark and Watts a few years back. I unfortunately was a ground zero for both of them and trust me...you want to be packing more than a pocketknife. Anyway...didn't post that one to offend anyone...it's just satire off the top of my head...but very near the actual truth. As I have posted before....if you think TPTB are going to be your salvation and protection when TSHTF...please mail me the address you want the flowers sent to. :eek: :eek: :eek: |
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Not a lot of sympathy here. |
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Some of the dead were 70 year olds who could not walk 20 blocks, nevermind 20 miles. What sick thinking for blaming them for not getting out.
Some who did try to walk out (of all colors... a tourist white medical doctor wrote about her experience) were stopped at gunpoint and turned back. What sick thinking for blaming them for not getting out. Some (of all colors) drowned in nursing homes 5 days after the water started rising. What sick thinking for blaming them for not getting out. I'm almost too disgusted to post. |
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got a link to that AM?
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It's been a long time, but here's the nursing home thing on video from meet the press or some such
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../09/05/1439247 Broussard was the president of Jefferson Parrish.. a snippet Quote:
The tourist doc was on one of the blogs one of the local papers had up at the time to help people find each other, etc, and I do not seem to have bookmarked it. They also turned convoys of volunteers with boats coming in to help rescue people away. FEMA would not let them in! They treated New Orleans like it was Falluja till that great cajun general came in and kicked some ass. |
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sorry, should have been more specific. I'm aware of those but would have been interested in the doctors opinion.
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There was also a fully equipped hospital ship, US Navy, about 50 miles offshore that could have evacuated the hospitals and the sick who died in their wheelchairs or on the filthy concrete in the Superdome and they never got permission to send their choppers in to get the people out of the hospitals, which had chopper pads on the roofs.
On the coast, while residents were chopping trapped people out of their attics with boat anchors or whatever they could find the airmen at Keesler were doing PT and playing basketball. A chopper that brought something in from a Florida airbase saw people trapped on roofs and rescued some and got reprimanded. And KBR and Haliburton had no bid contracts before people had water. That is why people were yelling F you at Dick when he did his Biloxi photo op. Upstate when the ice and water were diverted from Meridian and locked up on a National Guard base the sherriff went with his deputies and got it and passed it out. He is up on federal charges for that. Brett Farve chartered a plane between games to take generators and things to Meridian where his mom had been trapped in her attic. FEMA did not do nothing, they actively stopped volunteer help. But The Donald has his blocks of the Big Easy all picked out. |
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I'll see if I can find it, but if I bookmarked it I did not label it well. She was really shocked.
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I don't think it was in this blog
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakin...08.html#075011 but this was Quote:
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Yes! Thanks, KG. |
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For those who do not prefer links, here is what KG found. I had read a more raw version of pretty much the same information in a blog of NO where people could seek missing loved ones.
To me, Katrina was a practice run, like 9-11, for the elite attacking US cities in the same brutal manner it attacks civilian populations all over the planet. Blessedly, the US military would not fully go along, nor the lapdog media. They did for the first few confused days, then those cajun locals, black locals, and that great cajun general got things away from the totalitarian State murdering its own population. The looting bull was so revolting. After all that water every store was going to be 100% insurance write off anyway. It was about the sickest thing I ever heard of that the totalitarians acted like babes in arms should die of thirst rather than have some insurance write off boxed fruit juice. Besides which, FEMA stopped any and all aid coming in. It wasn't a badly managed accident, it was well managed intentional murder. They sent Blackwater around roughing people up too. They were still pointing guns at the confused and dying victims till that cajun general faced down the last of that himself by walking up to the last few pointing guns at the victims himself and ordering them (again) to lower their arms. OKC and 9-11 sucked, but Katrina was a whole additional level-- the active armed intentional denial of food and water to Americans in their own home town. Cajuns snuck the press in through the swamps is how they got past the military lockdown and started getting the truth out. How many were murdered we may never know. My wife is from the Biloxi area so we were paying close attention. She was there and a baby during Camille. And then the Airmen from Keesler were rescuing people like you would expect, not treating victims like 'insurgents' and stopping water in and busses or walking out. To me Katrina seemed like a practice session for the darkest plans I hope never come to pass. ==== Get Off The ****ing Freeway': The Sinking State Loots its Own Survivors by Larry Bradshaw and Lorrie Beth Slonsky Wednesday, Sep. 07, 2005 at 3:13 AM Two paramedics stranded in New Orleans in the wake of hurricane Katrina give their account of self-organisation and abandonment in the disaster zone Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen's store at the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen's windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry. The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and the windows at Walgreen's gave way to the looters. There was an alternative. The cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices, and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did not. Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the looters. We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived home yesterday (Saturday). We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at a newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen's in the French Quarter. We also suspect the media will have been inundated with "hero" images of the National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the "victims" of the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed,were the real heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class of New Orleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork lift to carry the sick and disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over blocks to share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and spent many hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers who broke into boat yards, "stealing" boats to rescue their neighbors clinging to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car that could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service workers who scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for hundreds of those stranded. Most of these workers had lost their homes, and had not heard from members of their families, yet they stayed and provided the only infrastructure for the 20% of New Orleans that was not under water. On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and shelter from Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of New Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources including the National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The buses and the other resources must have been invisible because none of us had seen them. We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who did not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who did have extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12 hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we had. We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born babies. We waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the buses. The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived to the City limits, they were commandeered by the military. By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime as well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their doors, telling us that the "officials" told us to report to the convention center to wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally encountered the National Guard. The Guards told us we would not be allowed into the Superdome as the City's primary shelter had been descended into a humanitarian and health hellhole. The guards further told us that the City's only other shelter, the Convention Center, was also descending into chaos and squalor and that the police were not allowing anyone else in. Quite naturally, we asked, "If we can't go to the only 2 shelters in the City, what was our alternative?" The guards told us that that was our problem, and no they did not have extra water to give to us. This would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile "law enforcement". We walked to the police command center at Harrah's on Canal Street and were told the same thing, that we were on our own, and no they did not have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred. We held a mass meeting to decide a course of action. We agreed to camp outside the police command post. We would be plainly visible to the media and would constitute a highly visible embarrassment to the City officials. The police told us that we could not stay. Regardless, we began to settle in and set up camp. In short order, the police commander came across the street to address our group. He told us he had a solution: we should walk to the Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater New Orleans Bridge where the police had buses lined up to take us out of the City. The crowed cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation and wrong information and was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, "I swear to you that the buses are there." We organized ourselves and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with great excitement and hope. As we marched pasted the convention center, many locals saw our determined and optimistic group and asked where we were headed. We told them about the great news. Families immediately grabbed their few belongings and quickly our numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in strollers now joined us, people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and others people in wheelchairs. We marched the 2-3 miles to the freeway and up the steep incline to the Bridge. It now began to pour down rain, but it did not dampen our enthusiasm. As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move. We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans. Our small group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the rain under an overpass. We debated our options and in the end decided to build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway on the center divide, between the O'Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We reasoned we would be visible to everyone, we would have some security being on an elevated freeway and we could wait and watch for the arrival of the yet to be seen buses. All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned away. Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the City on foot. Meanwhile, the only two City shelters sank further into squalor and disrepair. The only way across the bridge was by vehicle. We saw workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi-trucks and any car that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to escape the misery New Orleans had become. Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water delivery truck and brought it up to us. Let's hear it for looting! A mile or so down the freeway, an army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations on a tight turn. We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping carts. Now secure with the two necessities, food and water; cooperation, community, and creativity flowered. We organized a clean up and hung garbage bags from the rebar poles. We made beds from wood pallets and cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the bathroom and the kids built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of plastic, broken umbrellas, and other scraps. We even organized a food recycling system where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for babies and candies for kids!). This was a process we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out for yourself only. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your kids or food for your parents. When these basic needs were met, people began to look out for each other, working together and constructing a community. If the relief organizations had saturated the City with food and water in the first 2 or 3 days, the desperation, the frustration and the ugliness would not have set in. Flush with the necessities, we offered food and water to passing families and individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our encampment grew to 80 or 90 people. From a woman with a battery powered radio we learned that the media was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news organizations saw us on their way into the City. Officials were being asked what they were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway? The officials responded they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. "Taking care of us" had an ominous tone to it. Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was correct. Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, "Get off the ****ing freeway". A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water. Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated or congealed into groups of 20 or more. In every congregation of "victims" they saw "mob" or "riot". We felt safety in numbers. Our "we must stay together" was impossible because the agencies would force us into small atomized groups. In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we scattered once again. Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies. The next days, our group of 8 walked most of the day, made contact with New Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out by an urban search and rescue team. We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a ride with the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned. We arrived at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The airport had become another Superdome. We 8 were caught in a press of humanity as flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush landed briefly at the airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on a coast guard cargo plane, we arrived in San Antonio, Texas. There the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where we were forced to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses did not have air-conditioners. In the dark, hundreds if us were forced to share two filthy overflowing porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with any possessions (often a few belongings in tattered plastic bags) we were subjected to two different dog-sniffing searches. Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been confiscated at the airport because the rations set off the metal detectors. Yet, no food had been provided to the men, women, children, elderly, disabled as they sat for hours waiting to be "medically screened" to make sure we were not carrying any communicable diseases. This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heart-felt reception given to us by the ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker give her shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street offered us money and toiletries with words of welcome. Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept, and racist. There was more suffering than need be. Lives were lost that did not need to be lost. Links Jamie King 'The Real War of the Worlds' http://jamie.com/archives/20 Jordan Flaherty 'Notes From Inside New Orleans' http://linkme2.net5e Xeni Jardin 'Al-Cajun? Army Times calls NOLA Katrina victims "the insurgency"' http://linkme2.net/5f http://www.metamute.com/look/article...NrIssue=24&NrS... |
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For me it was the unConstitutional confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens:
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its easy to generalize and belittle others with stereotypes.
Happens daily here. I treat them like them like the poor ignorant souls that they are and push their nose into the reality and truth of the situations. Doesnt help much with the close minded individuals but it might with the less hateful hangers on to show how a bit of logic and some critical thinking changes perspectives. That being said and after re-reading river rats post I think he was only talking about the desperately poor, undereducated, young able bodied people in the inner city NO area. I could be wrong.... |
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I've noticed a nice change after these latest PNW storms following the heels of a 3 week city wide boil water advisory from landslides in the watersheds. Last weeks company monthly safety meeting was all about survival preparation.
Yes most focused on the '72 hours' till papa government can come a rescue you and take care of all your needs, but some good info was given to all the company's workers none-the-less. Company safety info given: - after a major emergency expect NO government response! You will be on your own. - expect all bridges to be shut by government (for example after a quake until 'inspected' assume several days later) you should expect not to be able to drive home. - keep extra cash at home as electronic purchasing and ATMs may be down for a while. - prepair a bug-out bag and places to meet your family. - worksite contains 4 days food rations for 400 hundred people. |
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katrina showed how government handled a catastrophic event. We can all learn from that and formulate an appropriate response according to conditions, climate and threats to our safety.
People have the right to self preservation and we are ultimately responsible for our own safety. Criminals looking to profit off of the lives (or death) of others should be dealt with appropriately - once you're dead, you're just a statistic. |
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You Idiot, why didn't you leave or make preperations prior to Katrina landfall, instead of relying on the goverment for a handout. Poor planning on your part does not constitute and emrgency on my part.
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The people on the lower end of the economic spectrum will always expect a handout because that is how they live. They perpetuate that situation from generation to generation. Welfare at its best. Income redistribution is the way the dem's see it. Take from the capitalists and give to the poor down-trodden that don't care to improve themselves through education or a better job. They enjoyed sitting on their front porch watching the water rise--after 5 days of warnings about Katrina coming their way. The gene pool still needs to shrink more.
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